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The old chiar car that sits in fullerton, I met the owner, he told me to E-mail him at his site, but I cant find it, he said that the site was somethimg like "overlandvalleytrailcom"-or-"overlandtrial.com" or something like that, If any one know the name of the site then please post a link.
------------------ JONATHON D. ORTIZ
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Sure seems like there's more to do rail-wise in the West than here in New York. However, this excursion car appears to be done up in New York Central colors. Is it so?
David
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The Overland Trail is painted in the SP Overland scheme.This car is still at LA.The car in Fullerton is the Amber Trail,painted in Daylight colors.This is an ex UP coach.
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I'm sure you're right. Thanks. But I must say the drawing at the foot of the website linked above shows a car that's painted in a way which does remind me of NYC's gray livery. Just curious. Is there a website which specifically depicts various railroad paint schemes?
Dave
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If you do not have it, Arthur Dubin's "Some Classic Trains" and "Pullman Paint and Lettering Schemes" are both superb tech/history books for your library.
Two tone gray with silver striping started as a NYC pattern, but Pullman adopted it almost immediately. SP used it for the Lark until they refurbished their fleet around 1960, stripping out the Cor-Ten members and inserting stainless. At that time they also sheathed their cars with flat stainless.
Remember, equipment on the Coast and Cascade routes received daily exposure to salt and humidity!
John
------------------ The City of Saint Louis (UP, 1967) is still my standard for passenger operations
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I have always wanted to have a look at the legendary Dubin passenger train book duo, "Some Classic Trains" and "More Classic Trains." Out of print and pricey nowadays, IIRC.
The only similar book I've ever seen is Thye Trains We Rode by Beebe & Clegg. Great, but black & white pictures only.
Dave
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I have both "Some Classic Trains" and "More Classic Trains" by Dubin -- yes they are very good references and have hundreds of great photos. I had heard a long time ago that Dubin was going to come out with a third volume called "Still More Classic Trains." Does anyone know if that was ever published?
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Do any of you have the book "Passenger Train Consists from the 1970's", Great book, I got my copy from Laws Railway Museum, Heres the web site version(The book has alot more stuff then the site)... http://home.att.net/~jtbradley/amtrak.html
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The Overland Trail is painted in SP Lark on one side and in SP Daylight paint on the other, Just take the Pasadena Gold Line and you get to see both sides of the car from above.
Chris
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Since we seem to have shifted onto the subject of railroad literature. . .
Next time you pass a bookstore, look for an excellent little tome on pre-Amtrak passenger trains called "Streamliners: History of a Railroad Icon" (authors - Mike Scafer & Joe Welsh).
It has detailed histories of dozens of trains (including the original California Zephyr and Empire Builder), with great interior and exterior color photos.
Plus Barnes & Noble bookstores (just to mention one national chain) are currently selling it for $12.99.
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