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I'm updating the map a bit because Trump "has been coming on" in PA. Joe "is concerned"- what with spending a "disproportionate" amount of time there (not just the whistle stop train) and dragging Obama in to boot:
Trump is going to win; definitely not the popular vote, possibly not in the "raw" Electoral Vote count, but in "his" Judiciary.
From what I saw or heard of the Final Debate, Joe seemed "lethargic", and even senile, and easily could not make it through the term. I do, however, think Kamala would make a strong President and would build upon the "Bill Clintonesque Left-Centrist" policies that I believe Joe will seek to emulate. I do not think she would "drink AOC's Kool-Aid".
Now further on the Debate, while I'm hardly "giddy" about it, I'm think "the tide turned" last night in favor of Trump.
While Joe clearly had more command of the facts and issues, he was going against a Showman and a Carny Barker, for whom facts and issues are secondary to entertainment. Trump seemed at his game, while Joe seemed lethargic and was caught looking at his watch, as in "how much longer must I take of this?"
Lest we forget how GHWB got caught looking at his watch during '92 - and I think we know how that election turned out.
Trump won the debate - and with it, maybe the Election.
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Kamala as president I find frightening. Joe not much less so, as he seems to be barely functioning mentally, and those pulling his strings way off in left side la la land.
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Your immediate thoughts, Mr. Harris, even if I do not agree with them, raises the question of how strong are other voters considering the VP running mate?
This year, with both candidates in their 70's, and the question as to how fully has Trump recovered from COVID (there is enough evidence out there that it's not always the "over and done" of the flu), voters should really be weighing their comfort level with a "President Pence" or a "President Harris".
That dilemma really hit home to me during '08. There my concern was would McCain live to see the end of the term, or would Obama "get popped"? The thought of a "President Palin" was not too palatable.
It didn't much matter; for I knew morning of Sep 16-08, McCain has lost the Election.
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I will be a poll worker on the day. Since we are in a semi rural and off the beaten path poll location, we do not expect any problems, but there are concerns that were voiced in the training session. Normally if our poll working is different from our poll voteing, as is my case, the usual plan is to slip away to go vote, however it is considered unlikely to be practical for this one, so most of us that were intended to be poll workers took the occasion to go vote that day.
Here is something to keep in mind: The "Down ballot" races. All of us will have a House of Representatives member and most of us a US Senator race at the least, plus any number of local races. Everyone should do their research on these. Many of these get very little campaigning compared to the national races, but they can be critically important. For example, even though Mississippi has most of their state races off year so they won't be clouded over by the national races, so I knew we would have no governor nor state house and senate races on the ballot, we still had a couple of school board races, three referendums and a state supreme court judge race on this ballot. I did not even know one of the referendums existed before I picked up the ballot, and I needed more time to study it out than I really had, and am now questioning whether I made the correct choice.
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Mr. Harris, we have some "neck and necks Down ballot" around here.
In my IL-6CD, it can only be described as that; Sean Casten D (incumbent) v. Jeannie Ives R.
Also, while I don't think anything will come of it, Sen. Durbin (D-IL) is facing a challenge from Willie Wilson, a successful Black businessman.
Within Cook County (Chicago), State's Attorney Kim Foxx has a formidable challenge (Dem turned Rep Pat O'Brien) on her hands. "Lot's gone wrong" on her watch.
Finally Mr. Harris, thank for for your service; both in uniform and as a poll worker.
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Even if they note they haven't endorsed any Presidential candidate since Hoover in'28, The Journal, predictably, has come out for Trump.
They make some cogent points, but hardly enough to change my vote (even if I could; I voted by mail almost a month ago).
The only point they made with which I take strong issue is such in which they note that Joe will not run again in '24 and could well not make it through one term. I think anyone recognizes such be the case with either candidate, so a vote for VP is equally weighty. But where I disagree with the Board is their inference that Kamala is simply "an agent" for Bernie, Liz, and AOC. Allow me to share the pertinent Fair Use quote:
The biggest risk with Mr. Biden is his physical and mental condition. He looks increasingly like an old 77. His campaign’s strategy of letting him out only once or twice a day, and his refusal to take nearly all media questions, isn’t reassuring. The truth is that Americans don’t know if Mr. Biden’s clear deterioration from even four years ago is routine aging or something more serious.
A fair consideration for voters is how long Mr. Biden will be able to handle the burdens of the Presidency. A capable staff and a forgiving press corps will cover for him as long as they can. But he surely won’t run for re-election, if he makes it four years. Americans who vote for Mr. Biden may be voting for Ms. Harris as his successor sooner than they imagine.
Mr. Biden has led in the polls for months, and tens of millions of voters clearly have Trump fatigue and dislike the President’s handling of Covid. They may elect the man they think is Mr. Trump’s opposite in the hope of restoring more decorum and calm to American politics. They should know they may be voting for disruption of a different kind from the political left.
Kamala will be "her own gal" come '24 or sooner.
But allow me to close with "may the best man win".
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"I can't believe it"; the day is FINALLY here.
Even though I personally voted by mail on Oct 5, there is still the symbolism of this "solemn and sacred" day that has now come to pass.
If for some reason any reader of this material is "on the fence about bothering", never forget how in all too many sovereign jurisdictions, "voting" is just some kind of a "we love you, dear leader" ritual. While here it might not seem like much, it's the only chance "we the people" have to tell those clowns what we think of them.
And I modify my immediate closing: "may the best man prevail; hopefully at the polls, but if not, within the Judiciary".
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The precinct where I work had an 80% turnout combining on site and absentee ballots. The line got as long as a two hour wait with approximately 250 people in line by 6:30 for a 7:00 opening. There were no gaps without lines or even lines with much of under an hour wait throughout the day. If this is any indication, this race has developed more interest and concerns in things political than any other within the last century.
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Well volks, the polls are now closed, here's how it looks like "things are going down".
The "commentary consensus" is that Joe will take AZ, GA, NV, and PA which would give him 306, or the same plurality of Trump over Hillary during '16. Even if 306-232 prevails, the Senate remains "Pink", and the House "Baby Blue". All told, it's "four more years" of divided government.
OMG.
Of course, here come the challenges. Several "razor thins" have State law that automatically call for recounts, but how often has the result of any election of note been changed from such?
The Trump challenge in PA to stop counting mail-ins is a State matter and, hence, adjudicated within such.
Now regarding a rerun of "Gorebushoff", that dispute centered around voter intent. The punch cards used back in 2K, especially in the hands of a "half blind", arthritic 85yo was a recipie for the "pregnant" and "dimpled" chad. With ballots now scanned, the questionable ones, say a stray marking across the voting field, or a "not too strong" erasure, can be more readily resolved with a manual review. There is considered question how far within the Federal Judiciary any such challenges arising from such will go, but if such is limited to "Joe's insurance PA", it's all "moot".
But heaven help our Republic, for when Joe "raises his right" Jan 20, realizing the dream of every "career politician", will have to feel like the 1865 Governor of Georgia, looking over his "scorched earth", at the close of the "Civil---", "--- of Secession", or however else that armed conflict is known.
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quote:Originally posted by Gilbert B Norman: With ballots now scanned, the questionable ones, say a stray marking across the voting field, or a "not too strong" erasure, can be more readily resolved with a manual review.
Don't know about the rest of the country, but in Mississippi we were not allowed to do any form of manual review. Also, marks were done with a pen issued and retrieved at the poll. The only thing we could do was tell the person to check his marks and reinsert the ballot. If machine would still not accept the ballot, the only thing that could be done would be take it to the appropriate person, state what was happening, tear it in two and insert it into the spoiled ballot bag and then be given a new blank ballot with a few words on the appropriate way to mark it. It is amazing how many of these spoiled ballots were by someone who changed their mind and then decided to put a big "X" across the choice they did not want to take. Amazing the number of times I had to say, no, you do not sign this anywhere as that is the whole point behind the concept of secret ballot. Once you proved that you have the right to vote here, the rest is secret.
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I voted straight blue ticket more than a month ago as we are all o we'd to in Virginia. So I don't have any election day stories to share. Judging by the enthusiasm in cities across the country,I'm surprised how lively these corpses were. I'll save the gloating and arguing for a later date. But I do want to register my shock that the election was as close as it was, and my disappointment the Democrats not only didn't take the Senate, but lost seats in the House. If the Democrats don't win at least one of the runoff sea t s in Georgia, there's no telling what Moscow Mitch will be up to. A couple of "what-if"s.. What if Trump had shown any kind of competence in handling the COVID crisis? What if he had done what ANY of his 44 predecessors would have done to protect the American people, he might very well have won. What if the Democrats had nominated Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren or anyone other than Joe Biden? Trump probably would have won. So the Nation owes its thanks to Congressman Jim Clyburn for endorsing Biden when he was on his last legs in South Carolina.
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It seems as if we wish to discuss the Election and its aftermath at one topic, which I guess is the appropriate course of action.
Since this Forum is "user moderated", I have chosen to move the one posting I or anyone made to the topic titled "Joe's 'Victory'" over here.
Finally, I have retitled this topic from "Why Trump Will Win", which is honestly what I thought would occur, to simply "The Election".
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quote:Originally posted by Jerome Nicholson: I voted straight Blue ticket more than a month ago as we are all o we'd to in Virginia.
I'm happy to step up as well and share.
I voted Blue for all Federal and State level offices, but "Turned Red" for those at County level. I also voted "for" an Illinois Constitutional Amendment, which failed, allowing for enacted legislation to set graduated individual income tax rates. It's only fair to have the "one percenters" to pay a higher rate of tax, just as they do at Federal level, than does someone "just getting by".
Like you, Mr. Nicholson, had the Dems nominated Bernie or Liz, I too would have voted for Trump.
Finally, does Joe owe Rep. Clyburn? You bet he does. He owes him a Cabinet seat (something like HHS or ED), but the reality is that vacate that seat, and Pachyderm SC Governor McMaster will appoint same to fill such, cutting into the razor thin House majority held by the Donkeys.
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"had the Dems nominated Bernie or Liz, I too would have voted for Trump."
This nails my greatest fear concerning Biden, that effectively we will be getting their policies. While there are many things about the generalities in the Democratic platform I cannot agree with, it is blind socialism of these two and their followers I feel will destroy much of what has made our country great.
I feel that we had the most lopsided press coverage imaginable. It was like a ballgame with the referee blind to any fouls on one team and calling ones that did not happen on the other. Without that, I think Trump would have walked away with it. Outside urban areas he actually did. Particularly in Georgia and Pennsylvania, it was close to looking like, OK now that we see how the smaller counties are going, how many Biden votes do we need to have in Atlanta, Philadelphia, and a few other places to turn this thing around?
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quote:Originally posted by George Harris: …..."had the Dems nominated Bernie or Liz, I too would have voted for Trump."
This nails my greatest fear concerning Biden, that effectively we will be getting their policies.
Mr. Harris, let's leave it to Chuck and Nancy to keep those "renegades" under control. I think Joe has confidence they can.
Mitch will be alongside Chuck on that if those two try and "break out".
The other concern I have heard expressed that at such time Kamala becomes President, pre or post '24 notwithstanding, is that she is an "agent" for "all of 'em". I think not, for if she succeeds Joe "mid-term", the Party Elders will be quick to remind her "just how she got there. Oh, and we just might be looking elsewhere come '24"
Well, be thankful for one fact of life; earliest AOC can run is '28.
But I must acknowledge, Mr. Harris; try they will:
They have an extensive blacklist for possible Biden appointees they do not like. They want to elevate allies like Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont to premier government posts. And they are even considering the possibility of bypassing Senate approval to fill executive branch roles.
As progressives have watched the Senate potentially slip out of reach this week, they have begun preparing to unleash a furious campaign to pressure President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr. over personnel and priorities — even as they wrestle with the results of the election and the possible need to be more realistic about expectations over the next two years.
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A couple of “what-ifs”… What if Trump had shown any kind of competence in handling the COVID crisis? What if he had done what ANY of his 44 predecessors would have done to protect the American people, he might very well have won
By “any kind of competence”, do you mean shutting down travel to/from countries where SARS-CoV2 was more prevalent, or perhaps implementing Operation Warp Speed, or the hospital ship dispatched to New York Harbor, or provision of multifarious hospital beds and sites and ventilators that ended up not being used in spite of the fearmongering over “millions” of deaths that did not materialize, or accelerating the production of surgical masks and N95 masks, or volunteering to be the guinea pig for experimental treatments when coming down with the virus himself, or…?
Never mind the matter of the onus being dumped on the POTUS by the supposed court of public opinion, or is that the “public opinion” as written by Big Tech and Big Media? The same weighty accusations and/or responsibilities were not placed on the shoulders of his predecessor(s) with respect to H1N1 or Ebola.
quote:What if the Democrats had nominated Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren or anyone other than Joe Biden? Trump probably would have won
Nobody knows who won yet. The media’s premature declaration is still (by their own admission) a projection. But no matter who was picked out of the 23-strong parade of pretenders, the same fraud machine would have kicked into high gear to proclaim them the “winner” also. And as mentioned on other forums, Al Gore in 2000 when presenting his legal challenges was not confronted with the media prematurely declaring his opponent the winner.
Already, however, certain Democrats have created this thing called the “Trump Accountability Project” (TAP) and recently had to alter their website since it announced their intention to blacklist anyone who supported Trump and deny them employment.
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If the Dem's are certain they have truly and honestly won this thing, they should be pushing harder for recounts than anybody else.
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Georgia, where The Times notes Joe has a 12k vote lead, has authorized a "hand recount". If more states in which the count is questionable will "follow suit", more credence will be made to Joe's apparent victory.
But sorry, Trumpers, I don't foresee enough from any Post-Election initiatives to overturn the counts as they stand.
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There are no counts as they stand; none are certified and certainly none are audited.
Back in 2000, no media outlet surreptitiously projected a winner for POTUS and then proceeded to behave as if he were the certified winner.
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Actually, Mr. Helfner, eight states have certified their election results to date, but all appear to be in either the Red or Deep Blue Seas.
But I think it's time for the Trumpers to accept the facts of life - no recount or Judiciary is about to overturn the Election. There is a bit more "cushion" for Joe than there ever was for Al during 2K - one state, 537 votes.
Time to start thinking "Trump '24".
I somehow think Joe will become the second POTUS to resign or the fifth to decease while in office. He does look lethargic, but he will soon be our President.
Now come '24, WOW, Trump v. "Mean Girl" Kamala; that WILL be the "barn burner". Guess I'll be around to watch it unfold - from the nursing home's dayroom.
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Your source’s assertion is more gaslighting, with all due respect. More “projections”; take note that they avoid being openly mendacious in that respect.
Mr. Harris is still correct, in addition: too many judges scrambling indicates a lot to hide.
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Two columns appear in this past Saturday's Wall Street Journal suggesting that during his one-term presidency, Donald Trump did make some notable accomplishments.
My takeaways are that, first, he oversaw an economic environment reducing unemployment to a historic low. Very simply, anyone on January 1 last, who wanted a job, had a job.
Secondly, with this business friendly environment, came growth in the value of investments. While, I have long since left the workforce, the growth of the portfolio I built while in such is obviously paramount.
On foreign affairs, I do note the easing of tensions between the Israelis and the Arab world resulting from Trump administration "brokerage".
While both columnists note favorably the profound effect Trump made to the Federal Judiciary during his one term, I defer upon that to the likes of my Evangelical Sister.
So Mr. President, "you weren't all bad" as some hold, but it's time to accept "someone else won".
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The media still confesses their claims are projections in between saying "president-elect". It truly is an inversion of their 2000 behavior.
As for the WSJ, their rather infamous call for a Constitutional amendment declaring open borders put them for me eternally in the category of the USSR's Pravda. What they were calling for was a Marxistic repeal of the Guarantee Clause.
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Mr. Norman: You may not be in a nursing home 4 years from now. You seem to be fairly spry at least in your discussions.
I regard Mr. Trump's achievements in the Mideast as Nobel Prize quality. Far beyond that given to Obama for little more than standing up and breathing. I fear that Biden/Harris will undo much of that either intentionally or through sheer ignorance and stupidity.
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Mr. Harris, I totally agree the "détente" between Israel and several Arab states, will be recorded as President Trump's major foreign policy achievement. Even if simply "brokered" during his term, it nevertheless has occurred, and the Administration had a role. Even if the role was Ivanka's "charm" and Gerald's Judaism, it was a role that cannot be overlooked.
Now we can only hope that this one turns out better than the last "brokerage" during the Carter administration. What?, with both principals assassinated, "uh, not too good".
I further agree with Mr. Helfner that President Obama's Nobel Peace Prize was awarded for "standing and breathing". "Lotta bad stuff" happened as his terms unfolded. The Committee should have held back and evaluated his accomplishments until he left office.
But with the Election having been decided 306-232 - the same plurality as during '16, now is the time for all good Trumpers to start planning for '24. Even if obviously not one of such, I do respect that for every one of "meez" there is almost one of "theez". If Former President Trump chooses to acquire a "Right Leaning" media outlet, as it appears he is considering, and he comes together with the owning parties, such is the "American Way" and fully within the First Amendment.
Of course, in the interest of fairness and balance, there should be another outlet with that Gothic "T" appearing behind the anchors. Such was the case with WQXR 1560 prouldly announcing "This is the radio station of The New York Times" that I listened to as a kid rather than "Cousin Brucie" on WABC 770.
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Mr. Harris seems to have Trump's penchant for projecting. Thinking Biden/Harris will take apart some Trump/Kushner "peace agreement". I use quotes because I cant call it Peace when those countries were never at war against each other. There will never be a true peace agreement unless it includes the Palestinians. But as for "undoing much of that either intentionally or through sheer ignorance and stupidity", Look at what Trump did with the Iran peace deal, the Paris Agreement, the Virus Preparations, even hanging his predecessors' portrait in the White House, no one can come off as petty and small minded as Trump. BTW, whoever posted about or thought about the election officials "finding votes" to make up for the ones already cast for /trump, it's easily explained: Trump told his minions to vote only on Election Day, so of course their votes were counted first, as same day votes always are. The Democrats tended to vote absentee, as I did, because we had good reasons not to vote on Election Day. Me because Im in dialysis on Tuesdays. Voting by mail would be a much bigger option than it was, considering the Trump appointee trying to sabotage the Post Office. Even so, millions still used the mail to cast their votes. Especially people in Pennsylvania, where voting by mail is the only alternative to same day voting. Those votes are also counted last. They werent "found"; they were always there.A couple of states like Florida, updated tjeir process so absentee and mail in votes wee counted at the same time, but many, like Pennsylvania, kept the old way of counting, despite the (Republican) legislature being practically begged to change. So thats why Pennsylvania had that problem. So Trump and his minions could have something to complain about, and be laughed out of court at every turn.
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quote:Originally posted by Jerome Nicholson: Thinking Biden/Harris will take apart some Trump/Kushner "peace agreement". I use quotes because I cant call it Peace when those countries were never at war against each other. There will never be a true peace agreement unless it includes the Palestinians.
A corollary point to that of Mr. Nicholson's captioned is Trump moved the American Embassy (AmEmb) from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem simply on the strength that "Bibi wanted such". This cost the American taxpayers "loot" and removed the Embassy away from the diplomatic community in Israel.
What did Trump get from Bibi as a "quid pro quo"? As near as I can tell, nothing. But then, Trump "loves" his fellow strongmen - and oh, Trump did get a plaque on the door.
Funny, how amongst my friends of the Jewish faith, only one of such (a Doctor in Atlanta) is a Trumper. His wife, and I have no reason to doubt, is an independent voter - just as am I.
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I'm simply dreaming, but now with PA (20), and NV (6) certifying, "it's over, and then some".
I'm not sure where, if anywhere, there remain unresolved challenges.
So here is my prediction; Trump will make a statement, TWEET whatever, to this effect:
"All the challenges have now been resolved, and I will allow Mr. Biden to become President Pro-Tempore until January 20, 2025, when the Presidency will resume under my leadership. Let us hope no harm will come to our Republic that cannot be remedied upon my return".
Trump hasn't conceded.
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I hope it is still not over. Even if I were in agreement with most of the Democrat Party and Biden's views, which I am not, I still would consider Biden the most incompetent person to ever be elected to the office.
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In a series of interviews with NBC News' Lester Holt, all I could think as Joe responded to Mr. Holt's "whiffle ball" questions, and his "lethargic" demeanor, I can only foresee "FDR at Yalta moments" occurring during his Presidency. Somehow, I think that on January 19, 2025, and well much sooner than that, "President Kammy" will be in the White House.
Joe should have been "dumped" by the Party in favor of one, such as Andy (Cuomo; Gov. NY), who has comported himself as a leader. But with the rapid capitulation of both Bernie and Liz (either of which would have had me voting for Trump), the floodgates had been opened.
Finally, I also think it heartening to learn that a scene such as this, will not occur next January 20. President Trump stated that if defeated within The College, he will leave at the appointed time.
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I never doubted that Trump would walk out without any fight. Gracefully? Well maybe about as graceful as he does anything, but he has far more respect for the Constitution and proper function of the government than he is given credit for, and for that matter, far more than any of these alternatives.
As for "FDR at Yalta"? Not sure Biden would be that good. I firmly believe that the world after WW2 would have been far better if Churchill had the final say on things European and MacArthur in Asia.
Bernie?, Naa. Somewhere left of Castro. Liz? If her lips are moving she is lying. Cuomo? Arrogance personified. I would take Bernie or Liz over him. If the alternative were to be Kammy, I would have to think about it, but for her case, I probably would take Cuomo.
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quote:There will never be a true peace agreement unless it includes the Palestinians …
Never at any time when a peace agreement was brokered have the “Palestinians” been excluded. And the “Palestinians” have a very curious habit of excluding themselves and attacking Israel on any pretext anyhow. The “Palestinians” have never been and are not now interested in peace with Israel; they want all of Israel.
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In general, this has been a far more polite discussion than many I have heard and participated in on a face to face basis, however, Jerome, I feel you are pushing it. A couple of points:
1. To believe that Trump was the better choice for the office of President, does not make you a "minion". That is simply offensive. There are many things about Trump that, in my mind at least, place him far ahead of Biden as a choice. Yes, his personality can at time be grating, but his self control given the offensiveness of the news media and others toward him is truly impressive.
2. As to the "by mail" versus on the day voting, the lack of positive assurance that the vote arriving by mail is legitimate makes it suspicious, as does the astounding reversal of who holds the majority that seems to occur only where needed. The use of the dialysis day to justify by mail voting seems strange as medical reasons could be used to justify absentee ballots almost everywhere long before this vote by mail concept was cooked up. If there was any push to get the Republican voters to wait until election date to vote, it wasn't that noticible, as it was most important on the "R" side to get as massive a turnout as possible. I voted early becausse I was a poll worker.
3. As Irishchieftain has noted, every effort has been made to include the "Palestinians" in peace agreements in the Mideast, it is their own fault that they are not. Israel has bent over backward to appease them.
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However, IE no longer supports it. You will need Chrome or Edge (or HOONOSWAT if you've been hooked by A##!e).
Now to point; this new "tab" they now have will allow you to interactively track the scheduled certification of the Election. Such is supposed to be completed by Dec 8 to allow the College to convene on Dec 14.
Finally, November 30 with Arizona, Colorado, Iowa, Montana, Nebraska, and December 1 with Kansas and Wisconsin certifying, the map will become much less Pink and Baby Blue than present. Note the Battlegrounds on both days. If the Trump campaign still is hoping for a reversal somewhere, tomorrow is likely their last chance.
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Lots of challenges to certifications in the disputed states, and with Constitutional grounds for all of the challenges. Seems to be the proverbial separation of the sheep from the goats.
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We’re open to evidence of major fraud, but we haven’t seen claims that are credible. Now comes Mr. Barr, who has no reason to join a coverup. He likes his job. He wanted Mr. Trump to win. As the election timetable closes, Mr. Trump should focus on preserving his legacy rather than diminishing it by alleging fraud he can’t prove.
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They seem to like parsing Barr's words; he said his department has not seen enough evidence "to date".
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