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Posted by Charles Reuben (Member # 2263) on :
 
Hey guys,

I went to the Albuquerque station yesterday to watch the Southwest Chief depart for Chicago and saw something odd.

Although the track is all fused together these days, I noticed that each segment still bares the name of the foundry from which it came, as well as the date it was produced.

Some of these rails date back to the forties and fifties!

My question: Are the tracks that we ride upon really that old? And how long does a segment of track last before it is worn out?

Also, I noticed that on the engines, there is some sort of hose contraption that directs somes sort of fluid between the wheels and the track. Anybody have any idea what that's all about?

Thanks,

Chuck
 


Posted by cajon (Member # 40) on :
 
Rail gets reused all the time, especially in yards. "Old" mainline rails are used to replace yard & siding tracks all the time.
The "hose" you are referring to is for sand that's applied to the rail when additional traction is needed.
 
Posted by UncleBuck44 (Member # 2049) on :
 
The "hose" you are referring to is for sand that's applied to the rail when additional traction is needed.

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I just learned that one out a week ago when my dad told me that about the one on the Challenger Steam Locomotive.
 


Posted by rresor (Member # 128) on :
 
"Old track", indeed. You mean, I think, "old rail". Yes, every rail rolled by a steel mill has a "brand" that indicates its weight (per yard), section type (nowadays mostly "RE" for "AREA", the American Railway Engineering Assn. -- these are standard rail sections), and the year rolled.

Rail life is generally expressed in millions of gross tons -- the cumulative tonnage over a rail before its probability of failure is high enough to justify removing it from track.

A typical value for new rail in tangent track is one billion gross tons. Put another way, if annual tonnage is 100 MGT per track (say, the UP main across Nebraska), the rail will last 10 years. If annual traffic is 10 MGT (the CSX "S" line from Columbia to Savannah), the rail may last 100 years. So yes, there's lots of 40- and 50-year-old rail out there, and on short lines even some 100 year old rail.

The oldest rail I've personally seen in service was on a New Jersey short line. It was rolled in 1887, and was still in service in 1997 (don't know if it's been changed out since).

On Amtrak's NEC, most rail was replaced south of NYP in 1977 - 1985, so it's anywhere from 18 to 27 years old now, and generally in no need of immediate replacement.

Rail lasts a long time.
 


Posted by boyishcolt (Member # 3001) on :
 
that is a lot longer than highways

i did not know it will last that long still being in good useable shape

good investment
 


Posted by MPALMER (Member # 125) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by rresor:
[B A typical value for new rail in tangent track is one billion gross tons. [/B]

"Tangent" is important. In areas like Tehachapi, with all the curves, the rails are worn down faster and replaced sooner.
 


Posted by Geoff Mayo (Member # 153) on :
 
...but only on the outside of the curve normally, unless the average train speed is less than the design speed for the cant of the curve (aka superelevation).

Geoff M.
 


Posted by TBlack (Member # 181) on :
 
This is a great discussion for the rail passenger to learn something about the infrastructure. Why does the railroad have to grind the rails from time to time? Doesn't that shorten the life of the rail?
 
Posted by George Harris (Member # 2077) on :
 
Grinding the rails: Books have been written and conferences held on this subject. the short answer is that grinding improves the contact pattern between wheel and rail and removes surface defects that occur in service that if not removed would result in potential rail failure. With a proper grinding program, rail life has been extended to well over 1.5 billion tons of traffic. The objective is primarily reshaping of the head (top) of the rail.

 
Posted by George Harris (Member # 2077) on :
 
More on rail:

The markings on the web (thin vertical part of the rail) give the rail section (designed shape), the place of manufacture and year and month of rolling. The month is indicated by vertical marks after the year, such as IIIII = May. If you were at Albuquerque, the section likely said 136RE or 136CF&I, unless over 45 years old. That means the section weighs 136 pounds per yard, approximately. CF&I stands for the Colorodo Fuel and Iron Company who designed the section sometime in the early 1950's. If it is the only word on there, then that is also the place of manufacture, the CF&I mill at Pueblo CO. If it says ILLINOIS, then it was rolled by the US Steel Mill in Chicago, which no longer produces rail. If the date was in the 1940's, the number was likely to be 131RE or 112RE, as they were the former sections used. The CF&I sections were later adopted as "recommended rail sections" by the American Railway Engineering Association, so in later years the same 136 lb/yd section could be marked as 136RE. About 10 years ago, the head shape of the section was revised, but the section name was not changed.

Rail shape, size, hardness, and metallurgy is a very complex subject. There have been literally hundreds of shapes produced and used in the United States alone, although current production is primarily in 141AB, 136RE, and 115RE sections. In addition to the "asssociation" sections there were a number of company designed sections. Since we are at Albuquerque, the AT&SF use a 90 pound per yard section of their own design which was slightly different from the three association designed 90 lb/yd sections, 90ARA-A, 90ARA-B, and 90ASCE, design dates of 1908 for the ARA sections and 1893 for the ASCE section. A recent company designed section was the 122CB used by C&O / B&O from 1963 up to the time of the CSX merger, at which point they changed to 136RE. Again, due to longevity, there will be 122CB rails in track for a long time to come.

In Europe they use their own designs which they promote as "international" standards for universal use. Actually they have shape characteristics that result in stress concentrations that, in my opinion, make them unsuitable, if not downright dangerous to use under the much heavier axle loads prevailing in North America. Japan has their own set of rail sections, and the Japanese steel mill also produce the American sections. China, Russia, India,, South Africa and Australia also each have their own rail designs. Before the UIC there were also numerous rail designs by each European country. Incidentially, the conversion from kilograms per meter to pounds per yard is almost exactly one to two. That is, the UIC60 section weight 120 lb/yd.
 




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