Are there any superliners in the East, or are they all viewliner trains? Like the view from the upper deck on superliners.
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Posted by North American Railroader (Member # 3398) on :
There are only two superliner trains in the east. The Capitol Limited (Washington - Chicago) and the Sunset Limited (Orlando - Los Angeles). If you count Mississippi in the east, there is a third, the City of New Orleans (New Orleans - Chicago). Most trains in the east are not superliners because they are too tall for the electric wires in the northeast. This makes it impossible for any train leaving from New York City or Philadelphia to use superliner equipment. The Capitol Limited can because not all of Washington's tracks are electrified. This is also why there were never any dome cars on mainline Pennsy and New York Central trains. Hope I could help.
Posted by trainman1 (Member # 1392) on :
quote:Originally posted by North American Railroader: There are only two superliner trains in the east. The Capitol Limited (Washington - Chicago) and the Sunset Limited (Orlando - Los Angeles). If you count Mississippi in the east, there is a third, the City of New Orleans (New Orleans - Chicago).
And a fourth -- the Auto Train, which only goes as far north as Lorton, Virginia, so it doesn't have to deal with any low-clearance areas in the Northeast.
Posted by North American Railroader (Member # 3398) on :
I can't believe I forgot the Auto Train! I love riding it so much, thanks for your correction. Totally let that slip my mind!
Posted by MPALMER (Member # 125) on :
quote:Originally posted by North American Railroader: The Capitol Limited can because not all of Washington's tracks are electrified.
Actually, the Capitol Ltd does pull in to Washington under wire, for the short distance from the junction to the bumper post!
Also the Cardinal did operate under wire with Superliners. It switched to low-level equipment after too many Superliner cars were sidelined due to derailment damage.
Posted by George Harris (Member # 2077) on :
Superliners are designed for low platform access, so they can not be used into stations or tracks equipped with the car floor level platforms that prevail in most of the northeast corridor, even if they would clear the low spots. They can get through the tunnel into Washington, but how much further, I do not know.
Posted by Big Merl (Member # 3251) on :
quote:Originally posted by George Harris: Superliners are designed for low platform access, so they can not be used into stations or tracks equipped with the car floor level platforms that prevail in most of the northeast corridor, even if they would clear the low spots. They can get through the tunnel into Washington, but how much further, I do not know.
So I guess the Superliners can't pull into Chicago Union Station because of the platforms? The Superliners, just like the AmFleets, have the movable platform that covers the stairs except when they are needed for ground level boarding.
Posted by Grandma Judy (Member # 3278) on :
Superliners OK in Chicago Union Station. The vestibule door is level with the platforms. In fact the Empire Builder/City of New Orleans actually goes thru the station - on the eastern edge there is a track that connects the north platforms (Hiawatha & Empire Builder) to the south platforms (City of New Orleans, California Zephyr, etc.) The Hiawatha equipmemt is single level & requires descending stairs & a stool to access the platforms.
Posted by George Harris (Member # 2077) on :
Huh?? Last I knew Chicago had low level platforms. Maybe a definitionis in order.
High level platform: Platform at about the elevation of an normal coach floor, that is 48 inches above the top of rail. The usual offset is 5 feet 9 inch from the center of track. This distance must be increased if the track is on a curve. Usually these platforms are only allowed if there is no freight traffic on the line. If there is freight traffic, the offset is normally increased.
Low level platform: Platform near rail level. Usually designed to be 8 inches above top of rail, but if along main lines will frequently be lsee due to addition of ballast and raising of track. The usual offset is 5 ft 1 inch from center of track.
Since the standard "heritage" coach is about 10 ft 1 inch wide, there is about a 8.5 inch gap between platform and coach. Transit system platforms are almost always set at car floor elevation but closer so as to give a smaller gap between car and platform, usually on the order of 2.5 to 3 inches.
Posted by Big Merl (Member # 3251) on :
My bad on Chicago, but I know there are stations with high platforms the Superliners can go to. They have the same trap door type mechanism that the Amfleets do.
Posted by George Harris (Member # 2077) on :
I'm sure someone out there can tell me how high the floor of the lower level of the superliner is above the top of rail. I do not know exactly, but I have a feeling that if a superliner pulled into a high level platform station that the platform would be somewhere above knee high to a person standing in the car. Once someone tells me the floor level, the rest is just arithmatic.
Posted by Mr. Toy (Member # 311) on :
There are low platforms, and there are lower platforms. Many older stations have lower platforms which require that yellow metal step be put out in front of the low doors of Superliners. At newer or refurbished stations there are higher, but still low platforms that are almost even with the Superliner's lower floor.
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