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hyperrailnut
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posted 04-23-2002 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hyperrailnut     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
PLACENTIA, Calif. (AP) - A mile-long freight train struck a commuter
train head-on during Tuesday morning's rush hour, killing one person and
injuring 265, authorities said.

The northbound freight train hit the southbound Metrolink train at 8:10
a.m. south of Los Angeles, buckling and derailing two cars packed with
passengers, authorities and witnesses said.

The Orange County coroner's office reported one fatality. Officials said
265 people were injured, some seriously.

Up to 75 passengers were being sent to trauma centers, and the rest were
being treated at the scene, authorities said.

"The train stopped for a couple seconds. The freight train just hit us,"
passenger Scott Wilson said. "For me I was facing backward, Maybe that's
how I ended up being OK."

One witness said the Metrolink train was stopped on the track when the
Burlington Northern Santa Fe freight train, traveling at about 30 mph,
hit the passenger train. Two passenger cars were buckled and derailed,
but they remained upright.

The crash occurred about 35 miles southeast of downtown Los Angeles.

Firefighters, some using ladders, helped passengers out of the derailed
two-decker Metrolink train and treated the most seriously injured in a
triage area. All area hospitals were put on alert.

Many of the victims had internal injuries and broken bones.

"We also have walking wounded who self-rescued themselves from the
train," fire spokesman Dennis Shell said.

The Metrolink 809 was headed from Riverside to San Juan Capistrano on a
route that serves 3,000 passengers each day. It had left the west Corona
station and was scheduled to stop at the Anaheim Canyon station.

It wasn't immediately known how many people were on the train.

Metrolink officials said they didn't know how the two trains wound up on
the same track.

"This is obviously a very serious incident and there is an
investigation," Metrolink spokeswoman Sharon Gavin said.

Several streets in the area were closed because of the wreckage and the
length of the freight train. It was carrying dozens of cars.

Lena Kent, a spokeswoman for Burlington Northern Santa Fe, said the
railroad owns and maintains the stretch of rail where the collision
occurred. The BNSF runs 55 freight trains a day along the line, which
connects Los Angeles and Chicago.

Metrolink carries more than 32,000 passengers a day across the region.
It runs 128 trains a day. Its trains travel at 44 mph on average, weigh
450 tons and take one-third of a mile to stop, according to the commuter
rail system.

It was the second serious rail crash in the United States in less than a
week. On Thursday, the Amtrak Auto Train derailed in northern Florida,
killing four people. Officials are still investigating the cause of the
crash and the engineer's claim that he braked after seeing misaligned
tracks ahead.

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irishchieftain
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posted 04-23-2002 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for irishchieftain     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I wouldn't call this "wrong news", even though it would be at home in the commuter rail forum, but it is almost a parallel incident to the Auto Train accident. However, I'd like to know how the heck the BNSF engineer kept going without being notified of a stopped commuter train ahead of him...? They featured this on BBC World News, with the British news agency slamming the US for having a dilapidated railroad infrastructure (which is kind of hypocritical for the Brits, but still rings true nonetheless). This kind of accident seems to be the case where CTC fails miserably (why wasn't the stop radioed into the BNSF train, even?) Lots of unanswered questions here...

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Eric
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posted 04-23-2002 06:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eric     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is a link from TrainWeb.com. From the point of view of the witness, it looked like the BNSF train engineer had made an emergency application at least a half minute to a minute before the collision. Perhaps someone ran a red or went through a misaligned switch.
My sympathy to the passengers and crew, along with their families. And it looks like the NTSB is going to be busy for awhile. http://www.trainweb.com/cgi-bin/top/tw_do.cgi?derailments/2002d23a.html

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Ken V
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posted 04-23-2002 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ken V     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Again Eric, you have provided an extremely interesting link related to the topic at hand. Thank you.

One thing I did notice, however. Even though the first-hand story was related by someone who is very knowledgeable on the subject of railroading there are a few statements in there to which I thought to myself...No. That's wrong!.

No wonder we pick all kinds of holes in the information the regular media produces.

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Eric
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posted 04-23-2002 09:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eric     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're very welcome, Ken!

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MPALMER
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posted 04-24-2002 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MPALMER     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The most recent linked article states that the BNSF train ran a red signal.

This is the opposite of what happened about 2 years ago at Basta (Fullerton), about 5 or so miles west of Tuesday's accident site. In that accident, a Metrolink train did not slow down enough (after passing a yellow) that it was unable to stop at the red light. It ended up side-swiping a BNSF (UPS) train but there were no fatalities. But, since that was WEST of Fullerton that derailment clogged up the Surf Line also.

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